Anyone can read what you share. Mr. Prince said he regularly host[s] customers, investors, employees and other business associates at my Wyoming ranch.. GOLDMAN: Well, I think it was - our latest story revealed, you know, at least one person who had been working for the Democrats thought that Sofia likely might have gotten some damaging information about Democratic efforts to help, you know, moderate Republicans. So while Times staff members may vote, they are not allowed to endorse or campaign for candidates or political causes. People have probably heard of this organization. So they were interviewing people who wanted to become operatives. Their reporting on the department won the 2012 Pulitzer Prize for investigative reporting. [CDATA[ Let me reintroduce you. That got a lot of attention, was investigated by Robert Mueller. New details reveal the ambitions of an operation intended to infiltrate opponents of Donald Trump, including moderate Republicans as well as progressives and Democrats. Prince declined to comment. And we actually - I, you know, I - Mark and I reached out to our - one of great political reporters, Jonathan Martin, and asked him, you know. His uncle is the conservative commentator Glenn Beck. I mean, this is - you know, he no doubt sees them as a conservative ally, like other conservative networks. What was going on there? Emails sent to Mr. Seddon went unanswered. NPR transcripts are created on a rush deadline by an NPR contractor. I believed that to be true at the time that I signed my declaration, Prince wrote, but I have since come to learn that I was mistaken.. If you're a print subscriber, but do not yet have an online account, click here to create one. Even if it is true that Prince now genuinely considers himself a Wyoming resident, it cannot be said that [The Intercept] could fairly anticipate being [hauled] into court in Wyoming, the attorneys wrote in a September filing. He said that numerous sources were coming to the group providing confidential documents, insights into internal processes and wearing hidden cameras to expose corruption and misconduct.. Prince said he wanted the Project Veritas employees to learn skills like how to recruit sources and how to conduct clandestine recordings, among other surveillance techniques. In an archived version of her LinkedIn page, Ms. Jorge wrote she had a deep interest in the conservative movement and hoped one day to serve on the Supreme Court after attending law school. DAVIES: But the idea was that these public officials or FBI agents were secretly - they were part of the deep state. officer who went on to win an important House seat in Virginia as a Democrat. That's a name some people will know. This is when there was the special Senate election in Alabama, right? GOLDMAN: It's not clear to me. Sofia makes a contribution - a small contribution to a woman she had befriended who ran, unsuccessfully, for the Wyoming state legislature. Prince has previously been involved in trying to find dirt on Democratic politicians. It's a conservative group, and they conduct undercover operations, for instance, to expose bias or what they would describe as, you know, wrongdoing primarily in liberal circles. The Defense Department didn't go for it. The year after the sting, Democracy Partners sued Project Veritas, and its lawyers have since deposed Mr. OKeefe. But (laughter) this seemed to be the training out in Wyoming. DAVIES: We need to take a break here. However, the story quoted a former U.S. Treasury official who suggested simply making an offer to assist Wagner might have violated current U.S. sanctions in place against the Russian firm. DAVIES: Did any of them have opinions about whether these two had done damage? Mr. We know that because Glenn put it up on his Instagram account. They received training for covert operations at a ranch near Cody owned by Blackwater founder Erik Prince, where Maier's mother works as a cook. (SOUNDBITE OF FRANK ZAPPA'S "EAT THAT QUESTION"). Last week, our guest, reporter Adam Goldman, co-authored a story about a couple who ingratiated themselves with Democrats in Wyoming, often making substantial political contributions to ensure their access to valuable information. For example, Rolling Stone published an investigative piece in October asserting Prince participated in a plan to dampen turnout among Black voters in the 2016 election. Erik Prince, founder of the private security firm Blackwater, filed a defamation lawsuit against The Intercept last month over an article published in 2020 that examined his efforts to sell. When does he do this, and do we know why? - 500, 1000. Prince declined to comment. Well, that and - by the way, at some point - I don't know the time period. We're speaking with New York Times reporter Adam Goldman, one of a team of Times reporters who've been writing about an effort by conservatives to train operatives in undercover operations to infiltrate progressive groups, unions and the offices and campaigns of Democratic and moderate Republican candidates and elected officials. According to Prince, the tech adviser determined that the emails were not authentic.. GOLDMAN: I don't know if misrepresenting yourself to - and getting a job at a Democratic organization is a crime. He worked with the former national security adviser Michael T. Flynn during the presidential transition. And his supporters have vilified us. You know, they targeted the teachers unions. Erik Prince decides that Project Veritas needs something new. You know, you say in one of these stories, this operation's use of spy craft to manipulate the politics of several states over the years greatly exceeds the tactics of traditional political tricks operations. Mr. OKeefe and others shared social media photos of taking target practice with guns at the ranch, including one post from Mr. OKeefe saying that with the training, Project Veritas will be the next great intelligence agency. Mr. Why are they there? And I realized they were giving money to Democrats in Wyoming, Arizona and Colorado. He's a former British intelligence officer who served in Washington, D.C., and in Pakistan and eventually leaves the British Secret Intelligence Service and develops some relationship with Erik Prince, a security contractor, and ends up being director of field operations at the conservative group known as Project Veritas. contractor who is best known as the founder of the private military firm Blackwater and whose sister, Betsy DeVos, was Mr. Trump's education secretary has drawn. GOLDMAN: Yeah. The Powell Tribune was unable to learn Prince's voter history from 2002 and 2017. Using a different alias the next year, the same undercover operative infiltrated the congressional campaign of Abigail Spanberger, then a former C.I.A. There was a meeting at lunch which led to a resignation, I believe, of GOLDMAN: They targeted our editor, Dean Baquet. And we've written about that. if (!document.MAX_used) document.MAX_used = ','; The special counsels report said that Mr. Princes parents, Elsa Prince and the late Edgar Prince, bought the 940-acre Double E Ranch in the Wapiti Valley in the early 1990s. She said the support she got from other teams was 'overwhelming. GOLDMAN: Erik Prince is the well-known founder of Blackwater, the security contractors who were involved in the massacre in Iraq. DAVIES: So he is the guy who hires this British spy, Richard Seddon, to train operatives to, you know, gather intelligence from, you know, Democrats and progressives. One of the undercover operatives also got a job working for a consortium of wealthy liberal donors the Wyoming Investor Network which had made a strategic decision to support Republican moderate candidates over those more closely aligned with Mr. Trumps agenda, the documents say. And by the way, as we began reporting this, we started learning more about Beau's connection to people. Other Project Veritas employees on the emails include Joe Halderman, an award-winning former television producer who in 2010 pleaded guilty to trying to extort $2 million from the comedian David Letterman. DAVIES: They targeted ACORN. DAVIES: Right. Valued at roughly $12 million by the Park County Assessors Office, the property includes a 17,470-square-foot residence that ranks among the largest in the area; county records show Prince owns a smaller home on an adjoining 10-acre parcel. Along with gathering intel, Maier and LaRocca sought to bait individuals associated with Better Wyoming into making statements they could secretly record and hand over to their clients. var width = jQuery(window).width(); DAVIES: That's the Government Accountability Office. GOLDMAN: What - the training they got was when they worked for an outfit called Project Veritas. I also think that - I think recently, too, O'Keefe, did a photo op or made a video with Donald Trump. James OKeefe, the head of Project Veritas, last year at a White House social media summit. You know, they were angry too, right? Prince also allowed Project Veritas to use his familys Wyoming ranch for training. ', Death toll keeps rising in Greece's deadliest train crash, US Attorney General Merrick Garland testifies before Senate Judiciary Committee, Lineup announced for this years Capitol Hill Block Party, There's no shortage of salt for NYC roads, Temple University students march and protest to demand better safety. He's, you know, the private military contractor. And Prince comes up in the special council report - Robert Mueller's report. The McMaster operation was aborted after he, unrelated to Project Veritas, resigned under pressure from Trump. Mr. Chamberlain and Mr. Thomas were on the list. Now, this couple weren't really the committed Democrats they presented themselves as, right? DAVIES: Right. Erik Prince, the former head of Blackwater Worldwide and the brother of Education Secretary Betsy DeVos, has at times served as an informal adviser to Trump administration officials. "He's a very nice man," Prince said of Barrasso in the Breitbart interview. They went after a Democratic staffer in Washington. document.write ('&cb=' + m3_r); And another individual named Barbara Ledeen, who worked for a prominent senator, his committee - Chuck Grassley - she admitted her involvement, and she had actually said she had met with a Project Veritas operative. The parties are currently awaiting a ruling from Judge Johnson, who could choose to allow the case to proceed in Wyoming; permit some more limited fact-gathering about the appropriate jurisdiction; transfer the case to New York; or throw it out entirely. Those contentions have become a key point of early proceedings in the case. In August 2017, Ms. Jorge wrote to Mr. Seddon that she had managed to record a local union leader talking about Ms. DeVos and other topics. Anyone can read what you share. A man named Samuel Chamberlain who matched the description of the one employed by Mr. OKeefe denied he worked for Project Veritas. This includes participating in marches or rallies in support of a movement or giving money to, or raising money for, any political candidate or election cause. Most notably, Prince had incorrectly asserted under the penalties of perjury he had been registered to vote in Wyoming since 2017.. State records show Moyock Medical Supplies was formed in Wyoming by an associate of Princes on April 15 two days after The Intercept published its article. (Photo: Gerry Broome/AP) MIDDLEBURG, Va. A cheery fire warmed the glass-walled conservatory of the Goodstone Inn in Virginia's. And, you know, there were a whole range of people they went after. Prince had hired a former MI6 officer to help train the Project Veritas operatives, The Intercept wrote, but it did not identify the officer. And they targeted a reporter, a Washington - a very good Washington Post reporter named Stephanie McCrummen, who - they picked up on it very, very, very quickly GOLDMAN: And figured out that this woman was not who she said she was. Mr. There's an annual one, Nellie T. Ross Banquet, and I believe it's in Cheyenne every February. DAVIES: This is FRESH AIR, and our guest is Adam Goldman. But, you know, O'Keefe brags on the Instagram photo that they're going to be the world's best intelligence agency - I believe that's what it says - not the world's best journalists. Mr. Seddon directed an undercover operative to secretly tape the unions local leaders and try to gather information that could be made public to damage the organization, documents show. Prince and Mr. Seddon said the goal of the private spying operation was to gather dirt both on Democrats and RINOs slang in conservative circles for Republicans in name only. The plan was to begin in Wyoming, they said, and expand operations from there. O'Keefe writes about it in his book. if (document.context) document.write ("&context=" + escape(document.context)); Park County records show he also skipped Augusts primary election, but Prince said he had intended to vote in Wyoming this year. Prince said he learned he wasnt registered when I went to cast my early vote for the general election in late September. In apparent response to inquiries from the Tribune about the two companies ties to Wyoming, Princes revised declaration said he misidentified the names of the entities. That was certainly a catalyst. Now, you mentioned Project Veritas. The whole thing was completely - was really weird. Is that what these interviews were about? And, you know, we've talked to people who have given to them, including people who gave smaller donations - right? There's a long backstory there. But he was extremely wealthy conservative in Wyoming named Foster Friess, who had actually run for governor in '18. And so these people were brought on to help manage these many, many, many, many operations. "Somebody who had his calendar conveyed to me that he goes to Tosca all the time," she said, and she passed the information on to a man she believed to be a Project Veritas operative with a fake name. They were certainly using attractive women to lure people out on dates. She was doing outreach to, you know, Democratic figures in Wyoming. He recruited a British commando to help - this guy Gaz Thomas, who I guess had knew Seddon through his days at MI6. GOLDMAN: Yeah, and the Justice Department prosecuted a number of individuals. If you are a current print subscriber, you can set up a free web account by clicking here. Mr. Seddon used other former Project Veritas employees to help with the Wyoming operation, including James Artherton, a British operative code-named kimchi who was involved in a Project Veritas plan targeting an editor for The New York Times in London in 2017. So flesh out the picture a bit. It is, instead, an entity dedicated to a specific political agenda.. DAVIES: Adam Goldman is a Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter for The New York Times. And, of course, that was an entree into a larger circle of prominent Democrats. Later that year, Mr. Their names are Beau Maier and Sofia LaRocca, and they're in Las Vegas for a Democratic primary debate. This is FRESH AIR. You know, in this recent story that you wrote with Mark Mazzetti of the Times, you introduce us to a couple. At the time, Ms. Spanberger was running to unseat a sitting Republican congressman in a race both parties considered important for control of the House. And it would - you know, and make an enormous amount of money. DAVIES: When Richard Seddon and Erik Prince got connected with Veritas and cooperated on some of these operations, what was the effect on Veritas? They - you know, there's a wide range of targets, and many of them have been exposed. Tell us about them. At the time I signed my [September] declaration I believed Jones Creek and CMNS to be Wyoming entities, but I have subsequently learned they are not; I believe they are Delaware entities, Prince wrote in the document, which he signed from California. The documents also show that, beyond Ms. Gore, other prominent Republicans in Wyoming were involved in Mr. Seddons spying operation. GOLDMAN: Well, again, this is a little murky. In 2018, Ms. Jorge infiltrated the congressional campaign of Ms. Spanberger, posing as a campaign volunteer. Wagner which The Intercept described as a semi-private military force that operates in countries or conflicts where the Russian government seeks plausible deniability for its activities reportedly turned down Princes offer. And if they were given money, if the money was distributed by this former spy, Richard Seddon, and they pulled from that pot of money, which was part of that operation, that could also be problematic. GOLDMAN: To my understanding, there was a disagreement in how Project Veritas should be run. And Las Vegas was the - you could almost say it was the pinnacle, the apex of their operation. Reached by phone, Ms. Halverson said: Frankly, I have nothing to say on the subject. She then hung up. In early 2017, Prince reportedly welcomed James OKeefe and others from the conservative group Project Veritas, which describes itself as an army of guerrilla journalists. That February, OKeefe tweeted an image of himself taking aim with a silenced handgun amid snowy mountains, saying the team was undergoing intense training from a classified location as we make Project Veritas the next great intelligence agency. The Intercept ultimately identified the site as the Prince ranch in a 2019 article. I think it was called "Deep State Exposed" or "Deep State Uncovered." Prince grew up in Michigan, where their father made a fortune in the auto parts business. DAVIES: Let me reintroduce you again. So they were looking to mine that, to exploit that territory. So O'Keefe's Instagram photo, you know, led people to realize that, you know, Prince had played a role, at least in letting Project Veritas use the ranch for training. The Powell Tribune has expanded its online content. But I don't know how close they are. They'd been recruited and trained in an operation led by a former British spy and security contractor Erik Prince, an avid supporter of Donald Trump. I'm Dave Davies, in for Terry Gross, who's off this week. DAVIES: And then Beau and Sofia married, right? The job put her in a position to gain valuable information about which Republican candidates the group was supporting with independent advertising. In 2017, he met with White House and Pentagon officials to pitch a plan to privatize the Afghan war using contractors in lieu of American troops. But we were unaware of that. But if the case was transferred to New York, that states laws could apply. It was Maria (ph). This is FRESH AIR. Erik Prince, a political novice and former Navy SEAL who made a fortune in contracting security services to the U.S. Military, said in an interview with Breitbart that he will announce in the coming weeks whether he will challenge Barrasso in the Republican primary. I don't know. DAVIES: Let's talk about some of the people who are behind this. And I think the Intercept geolocated that photo and determined it was Erik Prince's ranch. Prince took on the role of celebrity pitchman, according to interviews and documents, raising money for Mr. Seddons spying operation, which was aimed at gathering dirt that could discredit politicians and activists in several states. Did it expand the number of people that they had? Mr. Erik Prince, a Park County resident and founder of the controversial private military firm Blackwater, is suing a national news organization in federal court in Wyoming after it published an. His attorneys allege the outlet is trafficking in lies, showed an obvious and intentional disregard for the truth and effectively made Prince out to be a traitor. GOLDMAN: These were videos - you can find them on Project Veritas', you know, website or on YouTube now. There was a year-long lease that was signed that allowed Project Veritas to put its operatives in that fancy house. This is FRESH AIR. A local farmer was utilizing the land to grow corn and soybean crops, but the potential for the ranch was far from being realized. So I thought to myself, why are they giving money to these people, these Democratic politicians? Between 1992 and 2001, Prince often listed Park County as his home, consistent with his voting records. What does that tell us about Erik Prince? GOLDMAN: I believe that O'Keefe has interacted with Trump. But her picture was on this website. Prince provided funding to hire a tech adviser to ascertain the authenticity of the emails. And as I was reporting this, somebody said, well, you know, her picture, you know, she's on that website. They targeted The Washington Post. So while Times staff members may vote, they are not allowed to endorse or campaign for candidates or political causes. So what I'm saying is from Richard Seddon's standpoint, the fact that she had a picture up on Project Veritas Exposed, that was a real risk they were taking, right? He is married to an American diplomat, Alice Seddon, who is serving in the American consulate in Lagos, Nigeria. Funneling money surreptitiously to campaigns through other donors known as straw man donations would violate federal campaign finance laws. So while Times staff members may vote, they are not allowed to endorse or campaign for candidates or political causes. Prince might have approached for money for Mr. Seddons venture besides Ms. Gore. Funneling contributions through a third party is a feature of the federal election code and most state election codes. And, yeah, people steal lawn signs. During a meeting in a Las Vegas suburb last April of employees of Ms. Gores organization, the Wyoming Liberty Group, Mr. Seddon pitched a proposal to build a website where other so-called preppers could buy their own supplies and communicate with each other in the event of what he called a Black Swan moment a major terrorist attack, another pandemic or a civil war. No one tells Project Veritas who or what to investigate, he said. Connor Wroe Southard. It also seems, to me, murky. Seddon left the project in 2018, before O'Keefe started releasing low-impact "unmasking the deep state" videos. But then January 6 happened, you know, the insurrection. You know, there was one exercise, I believe, where they had a cop - you know, a local cop who was there. Mr. Seddons role in the teachers union operation detailed in internal Project Veritas emails that have emerged from the discovery process of a court battle between the group and the union has not previously been reported, nor has Mr. Princes role in recruiting Mr. Seddon for the groups activities. Private property rights are a major cornerstone to how Wyoming operates, but so is prioritizing a rural, quiet lifestyle - ultimately, the former won out in Sublette County. In 2016, a Project Veritas operative infiltrated Democracy Partners using a fake name and fabricated rsum and made secret recordings of the staff. What was this about? McMaster? So somebody was just waiting - and it turned out to be me and Mark - to come along and make the connection between the Sofia de LaRocca (ph) out in Wyoming and "Maria," quote, unquote, on the Project Veritas Exposed website. Jim Mattis, then the defense secretary, rejected the idea. He's a Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter for The New York Times. He was asked whether he had provided any of the groups secret recordings of Democracy Partners to the Republican National Committee or any member of the Trump family. if (document.MAX_used != ',') document.write ("&exclude=" + document.MAX_used); The list included John Cox, then the director of the Wyoming Department of Workforce Services, and Scott Talbott, then the director of the Wyoming Game and Fish Department. To do so would potentially reveal the sources identity, in breach of a promise of confidentiality made to the source, and creating personal risk for the source, they wrote, adding Princes real motive in bringing this lawsuit obtaining the identity of [The Intercepts] confidential source is plain., Further, if Prince is allowed to take discovery of The Intercept, the lawyers say they should be allowed to probe Princes ties to Virginia versus Wyoming, since he already has been forced to admit [his sworn statements] contained certain falsehoods.. DAVIES: So an active player in the Trump world. DAVIES: Did any of these result in resignations, firings, criminal investigations GOLDMAN: You know, and in the end, the people who were involved, I think, were, you know, slightly humiliated. You know, I think part of Mr. O'Keefe's motto - I think it's important for him to have regular and consistent content - right? Good stuff, Mr. Seddon wrote back. What were they trying to get? GOLDMAN: Well, that's a great question and one we struggle with at the Times in trying to put this in context. DAVIES: Right. Beyond involving a different pool of jurors and a different judge, Prince may have a better chance of learning the identity of The Intercepts sources if the case stays in Wyoming, where there is no specific shield law protecting the confidentiality of reporters sources. In the case of the FBI, you know, they were looking for bias to see if somebody - they could get somebody to say something anti-Trump, which, of course, fit the theme at the time because, you know, these infamous text messages between these two FBI officials who had worked on the Russia investigation - the FBI's Russia investigation had come out, right? Was he primarily the guy who got this thing moving? Wyoming is not the place for security contractor Erik Prince to sue a New York-based publication, a federal judge says. 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