This is a real review with details and pros and cons. - Numerous battery options, both from Shimano & 3rd parties Couldn't agree more. Yeah but who needs all that power? Step 2 - Identify if preload caps have a pre-applied threadlocker patch and apply if necessary. The new EP8 drive unit provides incredibly quiet assistance under pedal load. The Shimano EP8 RS motor, the key to the experience. Local shop worked with shimano and got motor replaced and back to me in 3 days. The Levo SL? I've had a go on ebikes and think they're fantastic and good fun. Hopefully we will have a system with little weight penalty in a few years. You can improve efficiency by limiting the maximum torque, though it is still possible to get maximum power out of the motor by pedalling at a higher cadence, so you wont necessarily get more range by limiting torque. Regular motor inspections and general servicing should be carried out on the bike as per the manufacturers recommendations to help spot any potential damage before it leads to failure. Why don't they buy dirtbikes instead ? Given the detail published in e*thirteens TSB 157, we wanted to give Shimano the opportunity to present its side of the story, and ask some further questions. Put on i9 Hydra hubs, annoying motor rattle sounds disappears. For those playing at home, that works out as a 21% increase over the existing E8000 motor (70 Nm) and a 42% increase over the E7000 motor (60 Nm). Start with a full battery, select the Trail mode, and see how far you can go before you run out of juice. When youre at those 30-40km/h descending speeds, EP8 doesnt punish you for stamping on the pedals to build some extra speed in the lead-up to a jump or dropoff. As they say, power is nothing without control. Still, the performance in the adaptive E-MTB mode is excellent, with smooth and flexible power delivery, and riders wanting plenty of grunt will certainly dig the Bosch motor. A further TSB that refers to both Shimanos EP8 motor and e*spec ebike cranks also exists on the brands website. Still, given the lengths that bike and drivetrain manufacturers have gone to stealthify mountain bikes over the past few years, we found the noisy EP8 motor to be infuriating during the first few rides just as we did with the Bosch Gen 4. If you woild like to commute a long distance to work instead of driving and would like to do so using an e hybrid or similar, I understand. Sign in to manage your newsletter preferences. That makes it tricky to work out how much assistance youll be finishing your ride with. Weve noticed this while pedalling along forest double tracks and on the road to and from the trailhead, but its also apparent when sprinting along faster sections of singletrack. I'm honestly flabbergasted that people complain about it tbh lol. Bikers Edge in Kaysville Utah hooked it up and took a motor off their demo heckler mx and put it on mine. Then we'll fix that for you. Quote Start New Topic Post a reply to: SHIMANO EP8 - won't turn on (new bike) This is because the assistance drops off quite quickly when you stop pedalling, particularly compared to the Bosch motor, which continues to push on for just a fraction longer. oooof! It's really, really quite quiet. Its worth noting that Bosch motor is only compatible with Bosch battery options though. While weve certainly been impressed by the power, ride feel and tuneability of the Shimano EP8 system, how does it stack up against the likes of Bosch and Brose/Specialized? Rattling and lack of update to the battery monitoring is a no go for me, I would just upgrade the battery to the new 620s if i could fit it. On my e8000, my impression was (now on a Trek Rail w a Bosch gen 4) that if you were at two bars, you were really at one, and if you were at one, youd better be a couple of blocks from home. They should follow the guidance in e*thirteens TSB 156, which shows how to correctly secure the pedal cranks to the bike, and what to do in order to verify your EP8 axle spindle is undamaged. Yes, we understand how and why spindle breakage may occur when some non-Shimano cranks are used with our DU-EP800 drive unit. First revealed to the world in September of last year, Shimano EP8 finally arrived on the e-MTB scene as the successor to the very popular Shimano E8000 motor. IMO Shimano bikes are good,but they are 2 steps down compared to Specialized and Bosch. According to Shimano, the EP8 motor offers a 36% reduction in drag over the old E8000 motor, and were inclined to believe that claim. The lowest setting sees the motor responding slower to your pedalling inputs. Overall its a vastly neater execution compared to the likes of Bosch and Yamaha with their Kinder Surprise-style switch units. The way the 2.2 motor smooths out un-smooth rider input is very impressive, giving it the most natural feel on the trail of any full-power motor weve tested. I have the EP8 on a Commencal Meta Power. only one port which needs to be connected directly to the motor. The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly: The Real Bike Weights from PB Editors. Indeed Specialized actually built the new Levo around a mullet setup with a 27.5in rear wheel, in order to shorten the chainstays. Shimano said August was the best. "Unquestionably, Shimano has the cleanest and sleekest display integration on the market". And more power requires more juice. When we see failures like this, it is incumbent on us to find the root cause and, if it is within our control, provide a resolution, reads e*thirteens statement. @tomdesoals: Ah, thanks I get it. Appreciate the level of detail in this article, good work. Smaller:Compared to the previous model, the EP8's volume has been reduced. 214 That said, wed prefer if there were more metrics displayed on the main screen to begin with, so you could ditch the GPS altogether. Occasionally it can feel a little peakier compared to EP8, but for the most part both motors are easy to get used to within a few rides. Chuckle. Stab happy!". If you have a problem you can reapair it very quick. Easy fix. What ever happened to grit?!?! He was pretty happy about ANT compatibility. This reduced the tendency for the front wheel to lift on really steep tech climbs. That rattling feeling comes from one way bearing. 5Nm doesnt sound like much on paper, but on the trail the Levos 2.2 motor is noticeably musclier than Shimano EP8, particularly at the extreme ends of the cadence spectrum. And just read any car review of the blend between regenerative braking and hydraulic, then decide whether you want a computer deciding to regen as you roll off a drop regen braking is pretty much impossible on an ebike as it requires the use of a direct drive motor. SHIMANO STEPS EP8 Left Switch Unit for Assist VIEW PRODUCT Cycle Computer SC-EM800 EP8 Cycle Computer VIEW PRODUCT SC-E5003 SHIMANO STEPS Cycle Computer with Assist Switch (SD300 port) VIEW PRODUCT Speed Sensor EW-SS302 Disc Brake Speed Sensor (SD300 type) VIEW PRODUCT EW-SS301 SHIMANO STEPS Disc Brake Speed Sensor for EW-SD300 VIEW PRODUCT All you guys "waiting" to get a ebike are blowing it..the bikes are refined trek rail no problems..going around the country slaying every trail I see chugging beer and laughing at all u haters.. believe me I guys will all be on one sooner than later. Shimano says it provides up to 350-percent support (in Boost mode versus the E8000's 300 percent). Have had my Norco Range LVT with the EP8 for a week and have noticed the noise, maybe once? Shimano also claims this issue is. The EM800 display features built-in Bluetooth and ANT+ wireless connectivity for pairing both your phone and a compatible GPS head unit, allowing you to display information such as battery life and remaining range. Funny that Shimano now budget e-bike motor builds? - A little more overrun on technical climbs would be swell LEARN MORE Latest stories View all stories Personally, were ok with downshifting and spinning our way up a steep incline its better for the health of your knees, and its likely better for the health of the motor too. The metallurgic analysis was conducted to discover root cause. A dinamo or recharging when braking or something That's what I'm still waiting for! They need to get their old skunk works team back together and gain real world feedback before promoting vaporware. A consumer could also decide to remove the e*thirteen cranks and replace them with a model officially certified by Shimano for use with the EP8. You've been subscribed to our newsletter. Damn, sorry to hear this especially since I own the same bike! Along with the fault-free performance weve experienced so far, wed have no hesitation in recommending a bike built around Shimano EP8 this is a high quality and well-rounded e-MTB system. On top of that, you cant tune the Bosch motor like you can with EP8 theres no fancy app, and the stock assist settings arent adjustable what you see is what you get. The cheapest Specialized Levo is the Expert model, which sells for just shy of $16K. There are a lot of factors that influence range including rider weight, tyre choice, trail conditions, and elevation. 20ft into my ride and the motor cut out. So when the new version is so much better Refinement is all relative. Sell it to me, bet ya cant specially at a respectable 90 keys. So despite being an engineer the non-linear noisy nature of the reporting makes it very difficult to plan rides and I almost always finish the last few km without assistance for bigger rides. All I could find is that bike manufacturers are to hold off selling the EP8 until Oct/Nov while they addresses some final issues. Make it 100 mile range, and I'm in. So why has no one made a motorized gearbox yet? Non-recommended 3rd party cranks can make a crack in the spindle because the difference in design from Shimanos crank causes increased stress around the spindle hole. @tomdesoals: Yeah, I get that now that bikes have become more silent anything new that makes noise can become annoying. [The] topic has been closed from Shimano[s] side but e*thirteen is still investigating with independent labs.. Der Shimano EP8 ist kleiner und leichter Nicht nur das Motorgehuse ist kleiner, auch das Innenleben des EP8 Motors. Both bikes were fitted with e*thirteen cranks. After downloading the free E-Tube Project app, youll need to turn the bike on and pair it with your smartphone. Alex then moved back to the UK and put his vast knowledge of mountain biking to good use by landing a job working for MBUK magazine as features editor. The investigation has led e*thirteen to produce technical service bulletin 157 (TSB), published on its website on 14 October 2021. The biggest change has been with Trail mode, which now gives you access to the full 85Nm of torque if youre pedalling hard enough. Some claim it's a dangerous motor that suffers spindle failures. Do you think it could be only an issue with Carbon frames then? Hopefully this option will open up to non-Garmin users in the future. Absolutely. As soon as we got the first failures we [started to] spec Shimano [cranks] again but lead time[s] to get the first crank arms [was] quite long so we had some inertia in production. - Available on a wide-range of different e-MTBs, - Clacking noise can be annoying On the trail the tone of the clack is a little deeper than the EP8 drive unit, but the cause is the same. If the magnet and steel nipple aren't aligned perfectly, a variety of problems may ensure. I have ridden ebikes great fun,addictive, you gain some things , but lose some things as well, like all bikes a compromise. The updated Trail mode is brilliant, and the option to fine-tune each assist mode is a welcome feature for achieving the desired feel while maximising range. The complaints of charge bars on the display and the bike starting without any assistance are non issues for me. And compared to E8000, the new EP8 motor is considerably more powerful on the trail, whilst retaining the smooth and intuitive delivery that weve always dug about Shimanos drive units. Power less, battery smaller, it lighter is.. Would "every time you push the on switch" have been more understandable? Was thinking the same thing. For a mechanic, mechanical noise is a no-no by the end of the ride Id be destroyed mentally! With 21% greater torque than E8000, the EP8 motor delivers substantially more punch on the trail, and it feels more usable too. If possible, repeat this ride on the Eco and Boost modes too. The YT Decoy also utilises its own 520Wh battery and the the Orbea Rise is built around a smaller 360Wh battery. Great for climbing, on the descents the weight changes how I ride, not better or worse. Weve been living with the Shimano EP8 motor for six months now across three different bikes; the Merida eOne-Sixty, the Polygon Mt Bromo, and the Canyon Spectral:ON. 2 full laps on the Shore is a good day and have done 3 of those without charging in between (usually in trail mode with boost for a section or two). Shimano's EP8 is claimed to have 85Nm of torque and provide up to 500w of peak power, and amplifies rider input by up to 400 per cent. Side-by-side, the EP8 motor is slimmer around the belly and so offers a skerrick more ground clearance. 2. By Ralf Hauser What's left is just a plain old mountain bike with a weight around 14kg. Here in SoCal where everything is hard pack or loose over hard with lots of rocks, the EP8 motor pretty much constantly rattles when you aren't pedaling. You still have the three basic assist modes: Eco, Trail and Boost. Climbs really well and descends like a beast. The sign of a true technical rider. it's been quite awhile and still no fix . Wed much rather see battery life displayed as a percentage, and the option to customise the screen. Shimanos battery flexibility certainly presents a significant advantage over the likes of Bosch, which is much more limited with its battery options. That's worse to, because 20kg dead weight doesn't contribute like 20kg of normal, muscle-laden body mass. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Their heckler had complete battery failure, the ship date for a new one is close to the motor ship date. In addition to the challenge of having remaining battery life displayed as five bars, the range estimation tends to drop quite quickly during the final two bars. I tested a few Merida bikes with Shimano motor and they have some bugs in first versions,quite annoying stupid things force you to reset the bike sometimes. I haven't had the privelage to ride any bosch equiped bikes or other shimano bikes but this thing is so quiet I think it would be hard to find another ebike motor that is more silent. No, but the best on the market IMO. One note on range Shimanos range estimation is not reliable. Can't see the equivalent of a ribbed chainstay protector happening. And we certainly wouldnt be upset if Shimano could quieten down the clacking noise. However the motor operation itself is fabulous, smooth, powerful, feels natural when you ride, you can cover ground like crazy in this thing. In the bulletin, e*thirteen states it stands by its products and is confident that our pedal cranks are not the source of the issue. If a dynamo can be worked into the wheel hubs, you may even get near perpetual charging while the system is in use. Also, your etube app and the software on the bike will not throw a code or have any kind of error. SpecializEd # levo SL is a great benchmark Have had a Specialized Levo & sold it due to making weird noises, so yes other manufacturers have problems too, not saying that is easy to get good reliability with new technology, but my Shimano e-8000 motor has been more reliable even is very wet weather! Along with the svelte carbon frame, that helps to reduce the total bike weight to as low as 16.2kg, creating a potentially worthy adversary to the Specialized Levo SL. Unfortunately frenchies and Germans are not masters of marketing. Anyone having problems with the charger? How stuff like this gets through what I would like to think was extensive testing I will never know. I thought ebikes were supposed to enable us to do more fun stuff in less time. For commercial info: info@eplus.bike. The lighter weight is a big plus as well. If I pull the E-trigger, it'll still be a Levo SL now that S has worked through the issues. Hitting those famous tracks day in, day out for eight years, he broke more bikes than he can remember. @tomdesoals: That excuse that Shimano put out by their customer service dept . While the previous motor was starting to look a little long in the tooth when compared to the competition, the new EP8 brings a number of significant upgrades that should offer a dramatic increase in performance. Not the first time Shimano has screwed the pooch with recent launches. Uh oh, another one E-triggered. Thus, I could ride a few feet with power then the motor would cut off. I also have Commencal 2021 meta power sx. Same with brose 2.1 & their motor failures. For the type of riding and trails I do, battery power is not an issue, in fact would look at a smaller battery and weight savings on my next rig. The three EP8 bikes weve tested all have sub-440mm rear centre lengths, which is quite a bit shorter than the 471.5mm rear centre on the Giant Trance X E+ with its much bulkier Yamaha motor, for example. While midly annoying, it only takes a couple button presses to get back to get an 800% stabbing strength increase! Environmentally I think they're a disaster as well - rare earth elements in the batteries for one thing. I think Shimano is taking these issues very seriously. This is particularly noticeable on traction-poor climbs, even when starting from a standstill. As well as being smaller, lighter and more efficient, the new EP8 drive unit also packs more punch with up to 85Nm of torque, bringing it up to speed with the latest power plants from Bosch, Yamaha and Brose/Specialized. The cause is due to the difference in design from Shimanos crank, which causes increased stress around the spindle hole.. A downside of the 2.2 motor is that it is noticeably draggy above the 25km/h cutoff though something we experienced during back-to-back between the Levo and Canyon Spectral:ON. As of April 2021, all of Commencals EP8-equipped bikes have been specced with Shimano cranks, but this change has taken some time to filter through to consumers because of the time it takes for fully built bikes to get to the shop floor. That is, spme pretension or a clutch like system. According to Shimano, design differences between Shimano and non-Shimano cranks cause the axle to crack and eventually fail. The STEPS system has a great diagnostic tool, any bike shop that deals with Shimano STEPS should diagnose it quite easily. The noise is easily demonstrated if you pick the back wheel up a few inches off the ground and let it come back down. For riders scoping out bigger rides than that, youll want to consider dialling down the Assistance Character to improve efficiency. Pros - extremely quiet Cons - annoying rattling noisesums up 2020! I have never posted a comment here on pinkbike, however this article in particular is hitting a nerve. Dont be so lazy, put in the work and suffer a little bit! It doesn't feel good. "While we dont expect people to ride with their phone on their handlebars when mountain biking" - Buddy, you must not have seen many e-bike riders. Can I give 100 upvotes please? Overall it is a very refined system though. IMO we're still in the pilot phase and have a lot of room for improvement. In the article it is not considered that much of an issue as supposedly trackstands are less common on e-bikes, but if I'd get one (if ever) that would be just what I can imagine myself do. Most brains will be capable of doing this, as the noise in question isnt actually signalling a fault with the motor. Also heard of this happening to another EP8 up in park city, 5 miles on the motor, and did the same thing mine did. It even surpasses them in terms of noise (very quiet under load) and weight. But would the noise stop us from recommending an EP8-equipped bike? Overall very pleased with the bike and the motor. Aim for a cadence between 70-90 RPM for maximum efficiency and response from the motor. 2b - If threadlock patch is present, move on to step 3. In comparison, Shimano motors can be paired with third party batteries, and that opens up greater flexibility for bike designers (see the Orbea Rise and Pivot Shuttle for example). Not a big Chan e but worth a look. if we need that extra push over the cliff, you know what we do, we charge it up to 11. I'm not an ebike hater - but (you knew it was coming) - I can't ever see myself being able to justify the expense of one and I wouldn't like to risk a second hand one. Annoying rattle, did anyone say that to Shimano when they first introduced the freewheel? Shimano's EP8, short for DU-EP800, features a higher maximum torque of 85Nm compared to the older E8000's 70Nm, topping it by an extra 21%. Bosch's Performance Line CX equals Shimano's torque,. I have tested a few ones and to me best one is Specialized in terms of ridding feeling and refinement. What Type of Mountain Bike Should You Buy in 2023? Its also given us plenty of opportunity to identify all the little quirks, while getting a better impression of long-term durability and performance. Probably more than some rattle. What settings you end up will depend on your personal riding style, and your expectations of range and power output. The belt-driven design is also a touch quieter when pedalling, and theres no clacking noise either. Drive Unit Display Assist Switch Battery Drivetrain Tackle steep climbs and tough trails with full confidence thanks to 85Nm maximum torque. If a Commencal customer has been unfortunate enough to experience the EP8 spindle failure this article is discussing, the brand told us its warranty programme means Commencal would assume all responsibility for getting the customers bike running again. According to Shimano, the EP8 motor offers a 36% reduction in drag over the old E8000 motor, and we're inclined to believe that claim. Ebikes are cool but not quite refined enough to jump in yet. The downside for Bosch is that its display options leave a lot to be desired. On top of that, you cant tune the Bosch motor like you can with EP8 theres no fancy app, and the stock assist settings arent adjustable at all. Commencal which has sold a number of its Meta Power electric bikeswith an EP8 motor and e*thirteen crank combination replied to our inquiries. With the new EP8, Shimano managed to close the gap to its biggest competitors. I found this beauty as an example: The reviewer weighs 55kgs. I like to see a dynamo recharging system when the bike starts to coast downhill. The DIODE has the Shimano E8000 motor and both bikes regardless of motor specs and differences do one thing really, really wellthey make riding FUN! You can hear the motor spinning and attempting to assist, but no power is delivered. Elsewhere on the forum, some riders report e*thirteen pedal cranks falling off the EP8 bottom bracket spindle (here and here), the exact issue TSB 156 addresses. Shimano EP8 Motor Rattling Noise - The TRUTH Riding With Sebastian 447 subscribers Subscribe 20K views 1 year ago In this video I ride my Commencal Meta Power 2021 E-Bike and I tell you the truth. Under this condition, with each ride the crack can expand, and this can result in a spindle breakage.. However, you do pay for all that refinement and integration. I feel like I've been missing out on so much! I can only hear any motor rattling when I am doing really gnarly rocky downhill. - High quality display & controller The brand was made aware of failures occurring when the EP8 motor is used with pedal cranks made by brands other than Shimano, including e*thirteens e*spec ebike-specific cranks. Also worth noting is that you can create two riding profiles, which you can alternate between via the menu and push-button on the display. A little more overrun from the EP8 motor, and even the option to tune that attribute via the E-Tube app, would be stupendous! Unfortunately this clutch also produces a metallic clack whenever it rotates back and fourth. While there were limited options to tweak the levels of the old E8000 and E7000 motors, EP8 takes it to the next level, allowing riders to alter the motors torque, acceleration and general on-trail character, resulting in a more personalised experience for dialling your e-MTB in for your riding style and terrain. 1. If there is no threadlocker patch, move onto point 2c. Thanks! The most prominent reports of EP8 axle failure exist on two EMTB forum threads. "but since I have to hit the small button repeatedly when my battery charge becomes critical on some rides". The fact that the EP8 motor uses the same mounting points as the old E8000 motor means there are a few bikes out there that were anticipating will be updated with the new motor like the Norco Sight VLT and Range VLT. When they start looking (and weighing closer to regular trail bikes then I'll consider. Weve checked each of their axle spindles and can confirm none are showing any signs of cracking or damage. That is not the case, but all cranks should be checked for proper tightness before riding, and initial installations procedures should be updated, reads TSB 156. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. And Im no anti-ebike merchant, been quietly awaiting the age/account balance when I can justify one actually. Already have an account with us? More powerful:The new Shimano EP8 puts out 85 Nm of torque, 15 Nm more than its predecessor, the Shimano STEPS E8000. Hes one of BikeRadars lead testers and knows how to push bikes and products to the limit, searching out the equipment that represents the best value for money. Ive only charged 2x. Click on a component to learn more. You can display way more metrics on it too, and battery is usefully displayed as a percentage. TSB 156 addresses a reported issue where the crank preload end cap can loosen and fall off, eventually causing the pedal cranks to become detached from the bottom-bracket spindle. The Purion controller is vastly simpler and easy to read, but it looks cheap and its bulky, making it an awkward fit with brake and dropper levers. We suspect the amount of riding required to replicate this problem far exceeds the number of kilometres an average bike tester will do on any given model. there are no additional ports on the SC-E5003 to connect the switch with. In addition to those weve tested, youll be able to find Shimano EP8 on the Santa Cruz Bullit & Heckler, Marin Alpine Trail E2, the Commencal Meta Power, YT Decoy,Pivot Shuttle and Mondraker Dusk. The low profile EM800 display takes up minimal space next to the stem, featuring a crystal-clear screen with colour-coded graphics to easily identify which assist setting youre in. This data covers comprehensive third party metallurgical analysis in addition to results from a rigorous test battery of corrosion testing combined with ISO Fatigue. We hope Shimano will join us at that table soon.. Looks like Rocky(Dyname), Giant(Yamaha) and Specialized(Brose) are in for 2021 and Shimano and Bosch are out. This is part of our COMMENCAL Care program, we consider a warranty case should have no cost at all for any of our customers.. Can someone make a bike with 50% - 100% assist? A dynamo and regenerative braking is the ONLY thing stopping from buying an e-bike? If youve experienced a Shimano EP8 bottom bracket spindle failure, let us know in the comments below. The ability to customize the boost is very useful, with Shimano's app you can dial it in to your preferences. 2c - If preload cap has no threadlock patch pre applied: Assistance Character This adjusts the motors support level, which is how easily the motor delivers its power based on your input. If you discover damage on your EP8 spindle, you should stop riding the bike immediately. There's 21-percent more torque (85 N/m total) in Trail and Boost modes. Shimano advises that only approved crank arms should be used with its DU-EP8 drive units, reads Shimanos statement. 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